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		<title>econophysics to the rescue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Kastelle</dc:creator>
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				<description><![CDATA[I read Why Stock Markets Crash by Didier Sornette last year, and I thought it was a pretty good book. Sornette builds on the quantitative work of Benoit Mandelbrot to make models of market bubbles using non-linear dynamics. The basic idea is that bubbles are created when the expectations of people in a market become [&#8230;]]]></description>
					<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read <strong>Why Stock Markets Crash</strong> by Didier Sornette last year, and I thought it was a pretty good book.  Sornette builds on the quantitative work of Benoit Mandelbrot to make models of market bubbles using non-linear dynamics.  The basic idea is that bubbles are created when the expectations of people in a market become spontaneously synchronised.  It has some heavy-duty math to back up this idea, which makes it a less readable book than one might like, but to me Sornette&#8217;s models ring true.  </p>
<p>One of the features of Sornette&#8217;s models is that he believes they include information that can predict the time when a market reaches an inflection point, which may in turn cause a crash.  When I first read this, I was fairly skeptical.  However, he is doing something that very few orthodox economist are willing to try &#8211; he is making public predictions of market crashes &#8211; including dates!  In collaboration with several other authors, Sornette predicted date of the US housing market crash (roughly), and the date the 2008 oil bubble would burst.  Most recently, <a href="http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/0907/0907.1827.pdf">they predicted a stock market crash in the Shanghai stock market</a>, with the most likely dates being sometime between 17 and 27 August 2009.  It didn&#8217;t.  The market waited to crash until August 4th.</p>
<p><img data-recalc-dims="1" decoding="async" data-attachment-id="429" data-permalink="https://timkastelle.org/blog/2009/08/econophysics-to-the-rescue/shanghaistockmarketbubble/#main" data-orig-file="https://i0.wp.com/timkastelle.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/shanghaistockmarketbubble.gif?fit=800%2C396&amp;ssl=1" data-orig-size="800,396" data-comments-opened="1" data-image-meta="{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;}" data-image-title="shanghaistockmarketbubble" data-image-description="" data-image-caption="&lt;p&gt;shanghai stock prices 2009&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>This is actually pretty remarkable.  I&#8217;ve read several different blog posts discussing this issue, a lot of people are arguing whether or not a 20% drop in value in 2 weeks is a crash or not, and lots of other things. Many others talk about whether or not these are self-fulfilling prophecies.  As much as I like econophysics, I&#8217;m pretty certain that it&#8217;s pretty close to impossible to credibly argue that articles in Physica A are moving the US housing market.  Personally, I&#8217;m still not convinced that I buy Sornette&#8217;s underlying model, but I still think that the general approach has merit.  The lesson that I take away from it all is that there is enormous potential value in modeling complex economic systems using non-linear methods. We need to do more of it since when we&#8217;re innovating, we are trying to introduce ideas into a complex, non-linear system.</p>
<p><a href="http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0905/0905.0128v1.pdf">Here&#8217;s the article</a> with the heavy-duty math behind the prediction&#8230;</p>
<p>Image from an article reporting the story on the <a href="http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/arxiv/24023/">arXivBlog</a>, hat tip to <a href="http://www.marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2009/08/score-one-for-econophysics.html">Alex Tabarrok</a>)</p>

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